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Tuesday, May 19, 2009

Killin' Time With 24

24: 6:00A.M.-7:00A.M.,7:00A.M.-8:00A.M.
Season 7, Episode 23&24

Welcome to "Killin' Time With 24." A weekly morning-after 24 discussion hosted by your faithful That's A Wrap! editors, Billy and Jim.

Every Tuesday morning we get together to discuss the previous evening's episode of 24. What we liked, disliked and where we would like to see the series go while avoiding any real work. It's like a virtual coffee break.

Sit back and let us do the complaining for you.

(22:03:21) Jim: hey
(22:03:22) Billy: Wow. Uh. Wow.
(22:03:51) Billy: The first wow was for the good, and the second wow was for the awful
(22:04:39) Jim: Nick and I were warring down to the final seconds if Jack was going to live or die.
(22:04:55) Jim: I was the correct one, obviously
(22:05:02) Jim: because I rule.
(22:05:06) Billy: It certainly wasn't on par with Jack walking Incredible Hulk-style into the sunset, but it was...well, pretty dramatically moving. And yeah, I was questioning whether Jack would pull through.
(22:05:13) Jim: As did Renee's final scene
(22:05:36) Billy: I KNEW he would, but credit goes to the producers for making me question it.
(22:06:09) Billy: Let's get one thing straight first: Kim Bauer OWNED the 23rd episode.
(22:06:47) Billy: That episode was almost a complete wash except for damned near everything with Kim...I was frankly stunned.
(22:07:10) Billy: I especially loved the look Renee gave Kim when she started talking computers.
(22:07:45) Jim: Indeed, Elisha Cuthbert rose to the occassion like never before. Well, the key was not having Kim waiting there waiting with the cure when Jack arrived at the hospital - and the scene with the... what's the name for a Muslim priest?
(22:08:02) Billy: I don't know his name.
(22:08:12) Billy: But I fucking LOVED that scene
(22:08:34) Jim: Indeed... considering how many members of his faith Jack has aced over the years
(22:09:02) Billy: It was so goddamn moving, especially when taken in conjunction with Jack's earlier scene with Renee when he explained his motivation.
(22:09:33) Jim: the Jack-Renee "What should I do?" scene was Jack's highlight of all the pre-hospital scenes
(22:10:02) Billy: For the first time in almost a decade I believed that the Jack Bauer from season One was the same guy we were watching this season
(22:10:07) Jim: Keifer actually went to a place at the end there... he's been doing this so long, I just didn't think he could surprise me anymore.
(22:11:06) Billy: If you stop and think about it for a moment, how DOES the most straight-laced dude in CTU end up where Jack is now.
(22:11:32) Jim: the Presidential stuff and Olivia stuff was just painful to get through and distracting us from a pretty impressive conclusion.
(22:11:33) Billy: He only got pick by Walsh to head the Palmer case because he was the cleanest CTU agent.
(22:11:46) Jim: Excluding those scenes we were golden with everything post-Tony.
(22:12:03) Billy: The white house shit was deadly painful
(22:12:17) Billy: Thankfully Pierce didn't go down.
(22:12:55) Billy: But that last scene with Canin and the Prez just went on TOO long...I kept looking at the clock hoping to get back to Jack and the Imam.
(22:13:11) Jim: Tony on the other hand... just utterly bad. His motivations were so tacked on and unbelievable (in revisiting the Logan affair). And its like Bernard agreed and went the Voight-scene chewing rout.
(22:13:49) Billy: I dunno...I bought it more this way than him just going evil because of Michelle being dyed.
(22:14:45) Jim: ?Michelle being dyed? - that's the point I think the whole text conversation adventure went too far down the gramatical sliding scale. I suppose we're lucky this is our last episode.
(22:14:52) Billy: I particularly loved how the scene where Jack and Renee stop Tony from killing whatshisface bad guy completely paralleled the final moments of season one.
(22:15:26) Billy: It's sort of an inside joke from the 24 fox message boards
(22:15:58) Billy: back in season one after Teri died some illiterate motherfucker asked if "Teri was dyed"
(22:16:54) Billy: It lived in infamy for years, and yes, I am (or was, rather, since I have not been to the boards since I swore off spoilers a few years back) a huge 24 geek...
(22:17:08) Jim: indeed.
(22:17:57) Jim: I know we mentioned it before, but I can't get over Elisha Cuthbert practically stealing the show... only Renee might have been more consistently impressive
(22:19:16) Billy: I know, I totally threw that up on my twitter in the middle of the show: What kind of topsy turvy world do we live in where Kim Bauer is the best part of a 24 season finale??
(22:20:07) Jim: At least we're in the alternate reality without the zombies
(22:20:25) Jim: I suppose that's a plus... although I can't promise we aren't... haven't been outside yet
(22:20:40) Billy: So, I guess the big question now is: Good enough to buy on Blu-Ray?
(22:21:16) Jim: I think it's possible... especially when considering only $10 more than DVD... (22:21:35) Jim: your thoughts on releasing a season dvd set the day after the finale?
(22:21:37) Billy: I know, right. Can't beat the price.
(22:21:42) Billy: I don't like it.
(22:22:06) Billy: It's giving me enough distance to really want to spend the dough on it. (22:22:15) Billy: even though I liked the finale
(22:22:45) Jim: Yeah... hardcore fans have to justify buying something they JUST saw. And by not releasing it leading up the new season, you're pretty much conceding that your audience will never grow again.
(22:23:43) Billy: Right...or it'll be heavily discounted by xmas.
(22:24:09) Billy: Though I've gotta admit $45 for a BD is quite the impressive pricetag
(22:24:48) Jim: yeah, just a year ago it would have been $55 or $60 on sale.
(22:24:54) Jim: It's a brave new world
(22:25:39) Jim: hopes for next year?
(22:25:49) Billy: Fuck man, I remember picking up season one on DVD for $50 brand new.
(22:25:55) Jim: obviously Jack is back in the lead. where is he? what is he doing?
(22:25:58) Billy: Oh jeez...next year?
(22:26:07) Jim: what better time to speculate?
(22:26:14) Billy: Jack is obviously back.
(22:26:54) Billy: He'll take Tony's "You ran away, Teri would be ashamed" shit to heart and dedicate himself to the Govt again.
(22:27:26) Billy: I hope to see Renee and Jack together....their scenes were just breathtaking. (22:27:49) Billy: And God help me, I'll probably regret this later...but...more Kim.
(22:28:01) Jim: I see Jack-Renee-Kim back... in some kind of recreated CTU. Maybe Garafalo over Chloe back. As the voice of liberal reason.
(22:28:39) Billy: Being set in NYC, I've gotta hope the crazy terrorist attack angle will be softened.
(22:29:17) Billy: I always hope for a smaller story and keep getting disappointed. If it sucks, the series is done at eight anyways...
(22:30:01) Jim: yeah, still too soon... I'd honestly prefer more of a mystery investigation than a violent action fest. The action scenes stood out so much better when there were only four or five each year... instead of something huge every hour... or 18 out of 24 hours.
(22:31:02) Billy: I'll go out on a limb and say Tony will be back in some capacity.
(22:31:15) Jim: But for all the problems we've ragged on endlessly on these posts... it's been a substantive step back towards decency from last season. Agreed?
(22:31:40) Billy: Oh, for sure. Compared to season six....well, anything is gold.
(22:32:00) Billy: But I've got a question for you. Big question.
(22:32:13) Billy: Do you actually really like 24 anymore?
(22:32:23) Billy: Like, really, really like 24.
(22:32:34) Jim: or do I watch it out of habit as much as anything else?
(22:32:41) Billy: RIGHT!
(22:33:09) Billy: Like, it's not bad, but it's not even the same show I fell in love with back in 2001.
(22:33:32) Jim: It's really sad how close to a "yes" I am. Especially since I still buy every season and the REdemption movie and devote an hour of my life to it every week without interruption. It's one of the VERY few shows I NEVER wait a day to watch.
(22:34:48) Jim: I will go for a very close "No" Season Six crossed into "Yes" but the Redemption and this year at least pulled it back to "Like" I don't see any circumstance where I'll love it again. To quote the man... "I've come too far... too fucking far."
(22:35:39) Billy: I think it got so much good will from me for the spectacular first season and great season two. But it's not the same show anymore.
(22:35:57) Jim: At this point it's like asking me if I don't like my brother anymore.
(22:36:56) Jim: Sometimes I downright loathe the show/my brother, but at the end of every day you still can't distinguish fully the early years.
(22:37:09) Jim: Or in the case of Nick that he gives me money.
(22:37:13) Billy: But I just realized the other day that I don't really love the show anymore. It's not bad, it's not like me watching Heroes out of stubbornness...
(22:37:24) Jim: It's the Ties That Bind to bring Springsteen into the mix
(22:38:01) Jim: no, no, no... it's still worlds better than Heroes... But the days its even my favorite show of the night are long gone
(22:38:28) Billy: there was a time when I considered 24 my favorite show
(22:38:36) Jim: Speaking of which... I gots to get me some HIMYM before bed... any last thoughts on 24 Season 7?
(22:39:14) Billy: Not if it's going to delay me watching How I Met Your Mother!
(22:39:38) Billy: Just a quick one...have we really done 20 of these??
(22:39:41) Billy: Jesus.
(22:39:52) Jim: To wrap up - Better than six, but you made some good points there at the end. In the end I stick by my Midnight Run quote to describe me and this season.
(22:40:20) Billy: Oh and Dr. Becket from Stargate Atlantis gave Jack Bauer a spinal tap...
(22:40:33) Jim: See you again next year... or when we talk tomorrow... whichever comes first.

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Tuesday, May 12, 2009

Killin' Time With 24

24: 5:00A.M.-4:00A.M.
Season 7, Episode 22

Tuesday, April 28, 2009

Killin' Time With 24

24: 3:00A.M.-4:00A.M.
Season 7, Episode 20

Welcome to "Killin' Time With 24." A weekly morning-after 24 discussion hosted by your faithful That's A Wrap! editors, Billy and Jim.

Every Tuesday morning we get together to discuss the previous evening's episode of 24. What we liked, disliked and where we would like to see the series go while avoiding any real work. It's like a virtual coffee break.

Sit back and let us do the complaining for you.

Also, don't forget to check out the latest episode of the That's a Wrap! Podcast: Sorry, Joel Edition!

It's totally cool and filled with summer movie talk as well as plenty of Harry Potter vitriol. Check it out!

(14:56:56) Jim: I suppose they needed another time-killer, set-the-table episode, but man it was boring last night
(14:57:18) Billy: So, I'm here in Cali, apparently living 24 season 3...dodging Pig Flu...
(14:57:29) Jim: I mean, I spent half the episode arguing what utter bullshit it was that people are getting up at 3:30am in the morning to cook breakfast
(14:57:38) Billy: And it's been more exciting that last nights episode.
(14:58:09) Billy: Apparently we're got two separate gay characters now.
(14:58:17) Billy: Not that there's anything wrong with that!
(14:58:38) Billy: But I got the feeling that the 3am breakfast patsy was gay.
(14:58:58) Jim: I have it bad enough with a job where I have to get up at six the morning, even I can't get up an extra half hour to make breakfast.
(14:59:13) Jim: No fucking way these people should be awake
(14:59:20) Billy: Hah
(15:00:00) Billy: I agree, and if I can jump the gun just a bit, I must say that I was uber excited to see the CTU servers and the classic theme playing along with it.
(15:00:08) Jim: That's what I loved about other years, they are trying to make the ultimate drama at a time when there is no fucking reason that anybody should be awake
(15:00:43) Jim: Indeed, the return of Chloe was excellently handled as well, especially her scene with Morris
(15:00:47) Billy: It kinda feels like this entire season is a prequel to the eventual season 8.
(15:00:58) Jim: AKA the most under-utilized star of a previous season since Kate Warner
(15:01:32) Billy: Because they sure as shit aren't going to catch all those consortium guys and gals in four hours.
(15:01:46) Jim: I hope not.
(15:02:34) Jim: I know they want things to be more self contained, but at this point it would be nice to have holdover villains... besides Nina and the Chinese guy.
(15:03:08) Billy: I suspect Tony will be killed, but I almost hope he comes back as a villain
(15:03:13) Jim: We've reached the point a few years ago where its just impossible to believe this many Americans want to attack America without setting a half of a season in Montana
(15:03:32) Jim: Yes, no redemption for Tony until his death... Jack needs a Moriarty
(15:03:34) Billy: Well, I play a ton of video games
(15:03:47) Jim: Yes you do.
(15:03:47) Billy: and Private Military Corporations are the new boogeyman
(15:03:54) Billy: in gaming.
(15:04:31) Billy: and so, I can sorta buy the PMC explanation. and they totally flat out said that Hodges is batshit insane.
(15:04:51) Jim: Yeah, I appreciated that.
(15:05:40) Jim: It was nice to cover their implausible plot shifts by making a character mentally unbalanced instead of leaving it hanging back there... for further examples see Jack's Dad.
(15:05:51) Billy: Agreed
(15:06:00) Billy: I'm still loving Jack-Renee
(15:06:18) Jim: Yeah, I'm just getting pissed they haven't had ENOUGH development there
(15:06:19) Billy: I cannot wait to see season 8 just because of them.
(15:06:38) Jim: I really don't want to have them tease it all day just to have them hold hands in the last 5 minutes (RE: Season 2)
(15:06:54) Billy: I suspect that's all we'll get
(15:07:06) Billy: and I also suspect that season 8 will begin with them together
(15:07:09) Jim: Renee would be the first romantic interest that I'd actaully anxiously await the return of
(15:07:11) Billy: as the heads of CTU
(15:07:20) Billy: which would hearken back to season 1
(15:08:02) Jim: She would be a nice, rule-bending, but less psychotic version of Jack... He could use that sense of balance
(15:08:57) Billy: Yeah, and it's honestly the only thing I have to look forward to on this show these days
(15:09:18) Jim: I realize this is a bit off topic, but who besides Jack, Renee and Chloe would you want working for CTU next year to take down Tony's Cabal?
(15:09:46) Billy: I don't want Janeane Garafalo back
(15:09:50) Jim: Agreed.
(15:09:57) Billy: Ideally I'd like a new cast
(15:10:00) Billy: totally
(15:10:16) Billy: aside from the Jack, Renee and Chloe
(15:10:41) Jim: I wouldn't mind Doyle... just about the only character I liked from last season.
(15:10:41) Billy: Morris (carlos Rota) was cast on Stargate Universe, so he's out.
(15:10:53) Billy: I actually think Chase could come back
(15:11:05) Jim: I was pissed for the longest time that they blinded him for absolutely no reason.
(15:11:14) Billy: but if they didn't bring him back yet, it will never happen.
(15:11:33) Jim: Has James Badge Dale done anything since the Departed?
(15:11:40) Jim: He'd probably be up for it
(15:11:57) Billy: It would be easy to bring him back
(15:12:06) Billy: and he technically didn't let Jack down.
(15:12:17) Billy: It could provide some tension with Kim
(15:12:26) Billy: and I've heard she'll be back next season.
(15:12:34) Billy: In some capacity.
(15:13:13) Jim: One thing I'd absolutely fucking love is if they had Kim and Chase work together like mature adults without bringing their past into it to angst things up
(15:13:30) Jim: I realize that goes against the core of Kim's character, but it'd be a nice change of pace
(15:13:39) Billy: Fact is, Jack's action days are mostly gone.
(15:13:52) Jim: Make me think she's actually grown up a bit... how old is her character supposed to be?
(15:14:07) Billy: they need a Doyle, Chase, or Curtis, who people like to go out and do the heavy lifting.
(15:14:16) Billy: while Jack works from the inside.
(15:14:24) Jim: Yeah, Jack needs to be more Season One Jack.
(15:14:36) Billy: With some action, but plausibly done.
(15:14:53) Billy: As to the question of Kim's age, she was 16 in season 1
(15:15:12) Billy: and I believe that something like 14 years have passed since season 1.
(15:15:15) Jim: How about a cool limitation, like he has to walk with a cane, spinning out of his illness currently? He could hate it for a few hours but then fuck somebody up with it.
(15:15:50) Billy: He's going to have some long lasting problems from this illness
(15:15:54) Jim: No the cane is too House... but something
(15:16:16) Billy: part of me thinks that he's going to bite it and the "cure" is total macguffin.
(15:16:56) Jim: I disagree... with Tony going evil there is officially NOBODY besides Jack that can carry the show.
(15:17:14) Jim: And if tony is somehow redeemed in the next two hours and Jack dies I'm done watching the show forever.
(15:17:19) Jim: AND I AM NOT FUCKING KIDDING.
(15:17:24) Jim: you can hold me to that.
(15:17:45) Billy: Whoa, whoa, this isn't fucking Heroes...Tony's NOT going to become a good guy again.
(15:18:01) Billy: He's not Nathan fucking Petrelli...
(15:19:43) Jim: I'm just saying... that would kill the show for me... and to avoid being a hypocrite I've given up on Heroes and finally took it off my DVR list last night so I could watch the Sox-Tribe game while 24 was recording
(15:20:08) Jim: Right after deleting the last couple episode unwatched.
(15:20:31) Billy: Well, not to go off topic but after last night's Heroes finale...I won't be coming back for season 4
(15:20:52) Jim: Heroes is over???? I thought the world seemed a little brighter!
(15:21:28) Jim: Once 24 wraps, we've got to have a wicked cool TV season wrap-up podcast
(15:21:41) Billy: Well, over for the year, over for me but sadly not OVER over...
(15:21:57) Billy: Wicked cool for our four listeners?
(15:22:07) Billy: Three of which were us...
(15:22:11) Jim: Yep! God bless them, everyone.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009

Killin' Time With 24

24: 2:00A.M.-3:00A.M.
Season 7, Episode 19

Tuesday, April 14, 2009

Killin' Time With 24

24: 1:00A.M.-2:00A.M.
Season 7, Episode 18

Tuesday, April 7, 2009

Killin' Time With 24

24: 12:00P.M.-1:00A.M.
Season 7, Episode 17

Tuesday, March 31, 2009

Killin' Time With 24

24: 11:00 P.M.- 12:00P.M.
Season 7, Episode 16

Welcome to "Killin' Time With 24." A weekly 24 discussion hosted by your faithful That's A Wrap! editors, Billy and Jim.

Every Tuesday morning we post our live discussion of the previous evening's episode of 24. What we liked, disliked and where we would like to see the series go while avoiding any real work. It's like a virtual coffee break.

Sit back and let us do the complaining for you.

(21:00:30) Jim: 24 - and we're live!
(21:00:43) Billy: The worlds deadliest bio-weapon??
(21:00:47) Jim: EvAH!
(21:00:49) Billy: What the eff? (21:01:02) Billy: It looked like dry ice to me.
(21:01:13) Jim: how are they going to justify Jack surviving something worse than smallpox or ebola?
(21:01:45) Billy: Jack Bauer is invincible. (21:01:50) Billy: apparently.
(21:02:47) Jim: indeed
(21:03:25) Billy: So, we've had only two legitimately GOOD episodes this season. hopefully this won't disappoint.
(21:03:38) Jim: naked Jack time (21:03:45) Jim: I thought this seeason was missing something
(21:03:45) Billy: SUNNY MACER! (21:03:59) Billy: We have not seen her in four years! (21:05:04) Billy: Nice call back to previous seasons with Jack's tats, scars and old CDC people
(21:05:45) Jim: how could this security company be so big that the US freaking government is sweating having to assault them... THEY. ARE. THE. GOVERNMENT.
(21:06:29) Billy: We ARE in a recession. And the president is a Republican, maybe she cut back on EVERYTHING. (21:07:01) Billy: Though, Jon Voight makes a compelling counterpoint to your gripe. (21:07:18) Billy: Oh God, another Brannon Braga episode (21:09:42) Billy: What the hell is Jon "Hodges" Voight's lackey's name?
(21:10:13) Jim: Didn't catch Mr. Good Idea's name. for once, I'd like to see the villain say, "Know what - you're right. This has gone a little too far. I'm outta here."
(21:10:48) Billy: Wow, 15 minutes to identify the infection. Things have gotten super Goddamn fast over the last four years since Season 3. (21:11:15) Billy: Rick Berman?! (21:11:28) Billy: As White House Chief of Staff? (21:12:03) Billy: Leaving the private sector? Getting fired from Star Trek doesn't equate to LEAVING.
(21:12:03) Jim: couldn't they get the Biscuit? He was CoS just a couple months ago. (21:13:35) Jim: and Berman didn't leave Star Trek. He killed it. That's life saying Leonardo DiCaprio LEFT the Titanic.
(21:14:13) Billy: Oh no, the United States is FUCKED with him as Chief of Staff.
(21:14:26) Jim: at that point, I say let the terrorists win
(21:16:37) Billy: So, I suppose that when this commercial break ends we will find out whether or not Jack is infected. I bet no, since it's not a cliffhanger.
(21:17:23) Jim: Jack's Lady is about to be sad
(21:18:00) Billy: You know, aside from her tendency towards annoying morality(only because they happen at inopportune times), I really like Renee.
(21:18:19) Jim: does she look like somebody ready to handle a debrief?
(21:18:44) Billy: She looks like somebody who is lamenting not being able to jump Jack's bones.
(21:18:45) Jim: but she toughens up pretty quick (21:19:04) Jim: wow, FD really is hot for Aaron
(21:19:12) Billy: Oh noes, Aaron, don't fall for it.
(21:19:23) Jim: this season is like 24: The Near-Boinking
(21:20:21) Billy: I suspected that the "rift" between the first daughter and former Chief of Staff was an affair of some sort. (21:21:07) Billy: they need to drop a Goddamn missile on that facility.
(21:21:33) Jim: did they just reference the chicken guy episode from X-Files?
(21:21:42) Billy: Creutzfeld-jacob? Everything I know about that I learned from the X-files. (21:22:06) Billy: I can say that about most things. I'm very sad.
(21:22:09) Jim: as long as Jack avoids KFC he should be fine then
(21:23:17) Billy: Of course it sounds like Jack isn't going to be contagious. (21:23:41) Billy: So he can get back in the game.
(21:23:45) Jim: Hey, it's the One Smart Bad Guy (21:25:00) Jim: saving Tony, good plan... probably getting killed for it, but still...
(21:25:07) Billy: Wait a minute...I just thought of something, why is Sunny Macer in DC? (21:25:34) Billy: Wait, what the hell was that?
(21:25:59) Jim: the results of his blood work (21:26:12) Jim: they're going to tease us about it for a little longer
(21:26:25) Billy: Seriously, they are going to cliffhanger THAT over a commercial? Ugh.
(21:29:30) Jim: see, he's okay
(21:29:43) Billy: What. A. Fucking. Cock. Tease.
(21:29:55) Jim: crapola
(21:29:58) Billy: Jack is infected! (21:30:00) Billy: Huzzah!
(21:30:10) Jim: Sweet! No cure!
(21:30:34) Billy: I shouldn't be happy that Jack is going to potentially die. (21:31:12) Billy: But this vulnerability is something that the series has lacked since season 2.
(21:31:42) Jim: we can fear for our favorite character again - definitely a sweet decision
(21:32:45) Billy: Now, of course, at the 11th hour (or 24th hour rather) they will more than likely find a cure...but still.
(21:33:10) Jim: gotta fill the time someow (21:33:17) Jim: somehow
(21:34:57) Billy: Greg!! The smart bad guy has a name! (21:40:29) Billy: How is a non-contagious toxin(my biology professor wife would like to contend that it is not a virus because it's non-propagating) the most deadly bio-weapon ever?
(21:41:37) Jim: yeah, it would be deadly, but isn't the main advanatage of biological weapons the ease with which they can spread throughout a civilian population?
(21:41:51) Billy: Bingo (21:45:00) Billy: They won't let Jack Bauer play with the other kids? That won't last long.
(21:45:29) Jim: they're taking him out of the action way too quick here
(21:48:29) Billy: 11:51 already? Wow, what a fast moving episode.
(21:48:51) Jim: yeah, that's gotta be a good sign (21:49:22) Jim: despite it being more filler - a get the pieces in place episode - I've been interested throughout
(21:49:31) Billy: I agree. (21:50:11) Billy: It's been very interesting. My theory is 24+ "virus" = good. (21:50:40) Billy: Moss is dead. (21:50:53) Billy: A missile is gonna knock his heli down.
(21:50:56) Jim: It'll get Jack involved again for sure
(21:50:59) Billy: I just feel it.
(21:51:21) Jim: BATTLE!
(21:51:51) Billy: I love it when this show surprises me by NOT doing something. (21:52:30) Billy: good Bad Guy is looking MIGHTY Squirrelly.
(21:53:05) Jim: indeed, that's rarely a good sign
(21:54:02) Billy: Bad good guy, it seems.
(21:55:26) Jim: oh, I just remembered I knew Bad Good Bad Guy from Empire Records and The Last Don
(21:55:36) Billy: Heh. (21:57:35) Billy: Tony gave that guy a look, like he knew him.
(21:57:39) Jim: so maybe it was talking about it throughout, but I was really locked in this week... a nice change of pace
(21:58:00) Billy: I'm pleasantly surprised. I liked it. (21:58:47) Billy: the lack of serious White House shenanigans, and Jack being humanized worked wonders.

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Tuesday, March 24, 2009

Killin' Time With 24

24: 10:00 P.M.- 11:00P.M.
Season 7, Episode 15

Welcome to "Killin' Time With 24." A weekly morning-after 24 discussion hosted by your faithful That's A Wrap! editors, Billy and Jim.

Every Tuesday morning we get together to discuss the previous evening's episode of 24. What we liked, disliked and where we would like to see the series go while avoiding any real work. It's like a virtual coffee break.

Sit back and let us do the complaining for you.

Also, please check out our Battlestar Galactica podcast special HERE! Beware spoilers!

(10:45:39) Billy: Executive Producer and one of the critical directors of 24, Jon Cassar, never reached a contract agreement and will not be returning for season 8.
(10:45:56) Billy: It's a goddamn shame seeing as how he directed last night's episode.
(10:46:08) Billy: and it was not a bad episode!
(10:46:11) Jim: wow, the guy responsible for so many good moments over the years
(10:46:34) Jim: no, it was far more interesting than anything we'd seen in a while this year
(10:46:49) Billy: With a couple of exceptions.
(10:46:57) Jim: it luckily only took moss about 30 minutes longer than it did you to piece together the events at Mayer's house
(10:47:10) Billy: I know, right, good for him!
(10:47:24) Billy: I was excited that they decided to not make him a total idiot.
(10:47:43) Jim: of course, much like bill during the white house takeover, i have to question why tony is still alive
(10:47:59) Jim: they couldn't at least wound him?
(10:48:12) Billy: Tony is alive to show us where Jack could be.
(10:48:18) Billy: Tony is shadow-Jack.
(10:48:39) Billy: Which might seem like a stupid thing to say, since Jack is usually all dark and broody...
(10:48:59) Billy: But Jack still has Kim--Tony has no one.
(10:49:19) Billy: Kim weighs on Jack's mind all the time.
(10:49:20) Jim: Jack got his pseudo-interested FBI lady too
(10:50:20) Billy: And so he makes decisions to save Connor "I'm a rotating guest star now that Enterprise is done" Trineer's character.
(10:51:12) Billy: Although, Christ, I thought Trineer was toast the second they introduced the pregnant wife. Kudos to the writers for not going the easy route.
(10:52:00) Jim: one thing that bugged me last night is the ingenuity of the villains... from taking over the White House, to being able to jam all means of communication whenever its convenient for extending the plot, retaking the bio-weapon via a freight helecopter, etc.
(10:53:08) Billy: Right, I agree, jamming communication didn't bug me too much because we've seen it before. But the helicopter pick up of the weapon was total Deus ex machina.
(10:53:08) Jim: and I'm really questioning what the goals of this American company are now that the FBI pretty much know they're smuggling in WMDs
(10:54:50) Billy: I think Starkwood's intention was to fake a terrorist attack, provoking the government into enlisting their help to find the attackers.
(10:54:54) Jim: I mean the rogue paramilitary group was fun in season two and other times since, but how many Americans are really going to work for an organization whose end goal is importing and controlling these weapons?
(10:55:22) Billy: Since they were arguing about their Senate sub-commitee issues last night.
(10:55:49) Billy: Of course, the FBI (Moss and Renee only as far as we know) knows now, so what would be their endgame...
(10:56:15) Jim: overlook the completely preposterous idea that the government would actually outsource significant military actions
(10:56:22) Jim: to a private army
(10:56:28) Billy: Ahem...
(10:56:40) Billy: Methinks you need to read the newspaper more, buddy.
(10:56:56) Jim: damn...
(10:57:02) Jim: it is hard to convey sarcasm through an IM
(10:57:14) Billy: Ha ha, touche.
(10:58:54) Jim: anyway, maybe its just a bit overwhelming after all these years. after virtually every Russian, Chinese and Arab-based plot has had significant data and tacticle support from rich American businessmen. You think they'd run out of guys that hate their own country that much... I mean is there some Montana anti-government ranch that caters to billionaires?
(10:59:26) Billy: Let's just be glad that it's not angry arabs again.
(11:00:15) Billy: I frankly like the idea that this Neo-Con wet dream television show, so often shows that rich white americans can do evil.
(11:01:42) Jim: I'm just worried for the rest of the season. We wasted the African dictator enemies with a terribly-executed plot and poor episodes and now when the quality hints at improving, we're marching over the same ground covered time and again
(11:02:36) Billy: Let's get some of the annoyances out of the way. Thankfully they weren't too big: The White House shenanigans need to frickin' end. It's just too much, I can't stand it anymore. I'm upset that Senator Red Foreman died, I was hoping they would bring him back as the president next year and we could forget about Little Miss Sherry Palmer-rip off.
(11:03:51) Jim: Yeah, it's time to stop centering the show around the White House so much. The president really doesn't need to be this invested and involved in everything.
(11:04:11) Jim: How many times can we watch politicians stab one another in the back?
(11:04:15) Jim: This is Fox, not CSPAN
(11:05:07) Billy: Yeah and the president's daughter was totally leaking info (and going on a date) with Vala Mal Doran's husband from Stargate SG-1.
(11:05:21) Billy: So that was stupid too....
(11:05:25) Billy: too geeky?
(11:06:51) Jim: Yeah, I like how the very first thing this girl does is sell out her mother's most trusted adviser... it makes you wonder how she ever got kicked out of the campaign before. I liked her a lot better when she was all sweet on Aaron as opposed to turning into mini-Sherry
(11:07:01) Jim: no, not too geeky
(11:07:10) Jim: for me at least
(11:07:14) Billy: Ha ha.
(11:07:26) Billy: So, the good stuff.
(11:07:45) Billy: The action was fairly riveting last night
(11:08:26) Billy: I did enjoy seeing Jack and Tony together, kicking ass. I fear Tony may die again.
(11:09:14) Billy: And Jack had the greatest line last night. Tony: You stop that guy and it'll be two on ten. Jack: Two on Nine.
(11:09:15) Jim: I wish Jack and Tony would have started shooting like two seconds earlier... it was edited like they were waiting to be discovered, like they had the opportunity to start before the enemy was prepared and taked out at least three more guys
(11:09:31) Billy: Agreed
(11:10:04) Billy: However, they did know there was a bio weapon in those containers, I could be an apologist and suggest they were trying to limit gun fire.
(11:10:12) Billy: To prevent an accidental release.
(11:10:22) Jim: but the shoot-out itself through the trailer jump was all too cool for school
(11:10:42) Jim: well that would make even more sense to start shooting before the trailer was lowered into the line of fire
(11:11:16) Billy: I love, love, loved Jack being exposed to the weapon.
(11:11:38) Billy: Though I honestly doubt Jack will ACTUALLY be infected with anything.
(11:11:58) Jim: yep, it'll allow them to keep him out of action for a little bit, suffer physically instead of the angst-fest he normally lives through
(11:12:07) Jim: it would be cool if he died at the end
(11:12:08) Billy: But for the first time in a long damn time, I felt excited and fearful for Jack Bauer's wellbeing.
(11:12:27) Jim: i could totally see him pulling a george mason the rest of the way
(11:12:36) Billy: Absolutely no one would expect Jack dying in the end.
(11:12:43) Billy: It would be one hell of a shock.
(11:12:49) Jim: except me apparently
(11:13:07) Billy: Well, I wouldn't expect it!
(11:13:37) Billy: This could be the reason Kim comes back....if indeed she is actually returning.
(11:14:10) Jim: it would be dramatic and we could forgive leaving tony alive to let him become the new lead
(11:14:47) Billy: at least for one last season.

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Tuesday, March 17, 2009

Killin' Time With 24

24: 9:00P.M.-10:00P.M.
Season 7, Episode 14

Welcome to "Killin' Time With 24." A weekly morning-after 24 discussion hosted by your faithful That's A Wrap editors, Billy and Jim.

Every Tuesday morning we get together to discuss the previous evening's episode of 24. What we liked, disliked and where we would like to see the series go while avoiding any real work. It's like a virtual coffee break.

Sit back and let us do the complaining for you.

(09:49:50) Jim: speaking of 24, am I the only one that saw some storytelling light when the Senator encouraged Jack to have faith in the system... only to have it blown away in the most prompt manner possible?
(10:07:00) Billy: It's one of the laws television thermodynamics: If a character, previously repugnant to viewers, becomes likeable, they will die. (10:07:30) Billy: See: every dead character on Lost
(10:09:17) Jim: how many characters like that has 24 actually let survive? (10:09:18) Jim: Tony? (10:09:25) Jim: and they did kill him the once
(10:09:35) Billy: But, yes, the writers were finally able to make Jack a sympathetic character last night.
(10:10:09) Jim: yeah, by letting him climb off his high horse of "Torture Rulez!"
(10:10:42) Billy: Though they did make the FBI stupider somehow.
(10:10:50) Jim: how any of them thought Jack saying Fuck you it's necessary for 14 hours wouldn't get old is beyond me
(10:11:30) Billy: Tell me, why would Jack shoot someone at the front door and then shoot up the rest of the house AND smash through the back door glass? (10:11:52) Billy: Now, I'm not a forensic scientist...but that shit don't add up...
(10:12:19) Jim: yeah, they need to hire the mentalist for a cross over (10:12:27) Jim: get their shit in line
(10:12:39) Billy: Agreed, (10:13:31) Billy: Aside from that, and Senator Red Foreman quit literally biting the bullet right after he became likable, I thought this was a decent episode.
(10:13:43) Jim: and I just love the Bond-ian aspect of the hero only knows where to go/what to do next because a villain tried to kill him and was defeated. (10:14:00) Jim: I'm sure glad they didn't just ignore Jack this hour (10:14:07) Jim: now he's all up in their shit (10:14:51) Jim: at the very least you should make sure the guy tasked with killing the unstoppable super-agent doesn't know the next step of your nefarious plot (10:15:03) Jim: that's just common sense, people!
(10:15:27) Billy: Decent episode, not great. I like that the villains are fully aware of Jack, something tells me that they are going to have quite a reveal involving Jack later. I only pray it's not "We've kidnapped your daughter!"
(10:15:58) Jim: well it is one of the few plots not revisited yet this season... (10:16:22) Jim: Is Elisha Cuthbert definitely coming back?
(10:16:32) Billy: Spoiler alert! (10:16:37) Billy: I think so. (10:17:24) Billy: Actually, screw that spoiler alert, I have no proof. Six months ago a shitty website I visit that puts spoilers above the jump, said she was coming back. (10:17:39) Billy: I didn't read any further. (10:17:46) Billy: so I know none of the details.
(10:18:26) Jim: yeah, I haven't heard any more than that in about as long, but it certainly isn't outside the realm of possibilities that we'll have another showdown at the port (10:18:41) Jim: Drazen Style
(10:18:43) Billy: Oh jeez... (10:18:57) Billy: ha ha, never thought about that (10:19:21) Billy: So, I officially hate the white house shenanigans. (10:20:19) Billy: I couldn't care less about the first daughter completely turning character and becoming a total bitch. Aside from hating her.
(10:20:26) Jim: Yeah, He said, she said is so old... it's only a matter of time before the First Daughter and Chief of Staff have angry sex (10:20:42) Jim: she was definitely into older men, RE: Aaron
(10:21:33) Billy: Oh, come on, I totally just ate breakfast.
(10:21:48) Jim: well that's what you get for getting up so late
(10:22:34) Billy: Well, I need my required 8 hours, man. I stayed up late watching MI-5 and wondering why 24 couldn't be as good... (10:23:06) Billy: Which is strange since MI-5 started as a very lame 24 rip off...
(10:23:07) Jim: Well, for one they aren't afraid to write out the main character
(10:24:05) Billy: Can I just say I loved the ending of last night's episode? (10:25:34) Billy: Ignoring for a moment that there is no way Jack could have gotten that construction machine turned on and moving without alerting the killer... (10:25:57) Billy: it was still super cool and pretty funny when he knocked the building over.
(10:26:29) Jim: but dude, it was a nice fight
(10:26:35) Billy: Great fight. (10:26:56) Billy: The only issue I had with it was Jack purposefully killing the guy
(10:27:19) Jim: although I quickly lost track of where the guy went, maybe I blinked during a shot, but if not it did add a bit more tension to the entire scene (10:27:33) Jim: the guy guilty of the crimes he's accused of? yeah! (10:28:03) Jim: especially without checking to see if he still has any of that nerve agent on him
(10:29:15) Billy: So when Moss was talking about how Jack supposedly killed Ryan Burnett, I was totally thinking to myself "dude, Jack has killed SO MANY people in the last seven years, do you really think that he needs to kill a material witness to get his jollies? Use your gourd, man"
(10:31:06) Jim: or Senator Mayer... because nothing says I'm innocent like murdering the person accusing you... and shooting up the house some more.... and jumping out the rear patio door because.... um... it was locked?
(10:31:52) Billy: Right. (10:32:52) Billy: I also kept thinking that if we had CTU instead of FBI, they would have put a tracker on Renee so that she could eventually lead to Bauer.
(10:33:08) Jim: and since when does the law allow a Shoot to Kill order on a murder suspect? (10:33:45) Jim: I thought you were still at least supposed to try to catch him... what with having no physical evidence connecting him to one of the crimes
(10:34:28) Billy: Well, a senator was murdered, it was the heat of the moment...I can forgive Moss for being a little overzealous.
(10:34:59) Jim: but still, it's basically a request to bring him Jack's head on a plate... that's too over the line
(10:35:06) Billy: Now, I am youtubing Heat of the Moment. (10:37:26) Billy: Aside from my gripes, it was still an improvement over much of the season. I'm not getting excited for the rest of the season based on one episode. But it was nice to not gripe the entire night about it sucking.
(10:37:54) Jim: Yeah, there were big pluses in the conversation with Mayer and the final fight
(10:37:54) Billy: A decent 24 + no new Heroes = a good night for Billy.
(10:38:12) Jim: + a superb HIMYM + another fun episode of Castle (10:38:16) Jim: = good times all around

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009

Killin' Time With 24

24: 5:00P.M.-6:00P.M.
Season 7, Episode 10

Welcome to "Killin' Time With 24." A weekly morning-after 24 discussion hosted by your faithful That's A Wrap editors, Billy and Jim.

Every Tuesday morning we get together to discuss the previous evening's episode of 24. What we liked, disliked and where we would like to see the series go while avoiding any real work. It's like a virtual coffee break.

Sit back and let us do the complaining for you.

10:27:24) Jim: 24: The Greatest Hits Continues
(10:53:32) Billy: Indeed.
(10:53:41) Jim: how great they just happen to find the tiny microchip
(10:53:54) Jim: how great chloe backs it up
(10:53:56) Billy: Seventh verse. Same as the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth and first.
(10:54:44) Billy: I couldn't believe Jack just let that thing go with a random cop to FBI headquarters
(10:55:05) Jim: i gotta say the guy from Entourage had just about the stupidest escape plan ever... a gut shot, that she could spend hours or days dying from, is his cover... seriously?
(10:55:14) Billy: it worked out in the end, but damn, seriously? The government is compromised and you just hand the thing away.
(10:55:28) Billy: Not only a gut shot
(10:55:39) Billy: but her fingerprints weren't even on the gun!
(10:55:51) Jim: well, i justify that if the government is compromised, it might make sense for some random cop to be trustworthy
(10:56:07) Jim: it would be pretty damn coincidental if one random cop was in on it
(10:56:50) Billy: Right
(10:56:53) Jim: nor did she actually fire a bullet. i mean come on you nail her center mass, and use her hand to pull the trigger to put one in your arm
(10:57:11) Billy: But just 60 minutes earlier Entourage guy made the cops pull Jack over
(10:57:16) Jim: and do a decent acting job when they come for you... he was painstakingly obvious
(10:57:23) Billy: if he could do that, then he could have gotten the chip from the cops
(10:57:54) Jim: I'm just thankful he didn't walk into chloe's workspace with a handheld magnet
(10:58:04) Billy: I thought for a good couple of minutes that Chloe was pulling a con on them
(10:58:13) Billy: and I sort of wish she was
(10:58:17) Jim: by the way, lucky that the chip isn't at all electrically damaged by ramming a guy with paddles
(10:58:50) Billy: It would certainly have been more plausible than, "Moss, I randomly fixed the thing that I said was un-fixable."
(10:59:15) Jim: and it coincidentally could only be downloaded once... i mean come on... yeah it should have been a chloe fake out
(10:59:35) Jim: would make more sense and give a well-liked character a cool and understandable thing to do
(10:59:58) Billy: Seriously, the chip is fried
(11:00:02) Billy: they lose the information
(11:00:11) Jim: as opposed to, "Shit! It's all over. We're done............................ Oh, nevermind, it's cool."
(11:00:28) Billy: Chloe realizes that Entourage guy is lying, even if Moss can't because they are buddies.
(11:00:49) Jim: a fakeout would let you milk all the same tension, but comes off as more plausible and scientifically accurate
(11:00:56) Billy: She lies, telling Moss that she fixed it, and has guards watch him make his break.
(11:01:28) Billy: Boom, they know he's lying. Plus Moss gets to understand Bauer a bit more.
(11:01:45) Jim: looks like no Jack-Renee action for you for awhile, my friend. For a second there I thought they'd have angry sex... but it was not to be
(11:01:47) Billy: Because now HE has to interrogate a friend who has betrayed him.
(11:02:16) Billy: That whole scene between Jack and Renee illustrates one of the reason's I don't like this season
(11:02:34) Billy: Jack is a good guy. WE know he has feelings.
(11:02:43) Billy: Why is he acting like a total ass.
(11:02:59) Jim: But he's towing the line of, THIS IS NECESSARY for the writers this year.
(11:03:13) Billy: That's all it would take is Jack to say, "It's never easy." THEN walk away.
(11:03:16) Jim: and the point is, the good thing about Jack is that he know's it's wrong.
(11:03:45) Jim: that emotional guilt is one of his defining characteristice... I mean he ran away to India and Africa to escape what he had done
(11:03:59) Billy: I know eventually Jack is going to break down to Renee, I can just feel it. But until that happens, he's kind of an asshat.
(11:04:16) Jim: yeah, kind of hard to root for the guy this year
(11:04:57) Jim: I mean it was only going to be so long before Jack always doing his own thing because he is always right would grow old. eventually, he should be wrong once in awhile.
(11:05:20) Billy: As a bleeding heart liberal
(11:05:30) Billy: I am appalled by the torture on this show.
(11:05:40) Billy: but it's escapist entertainment
(11:05:48) Jim: i mean in seven years, none of his actions, often based on the slimest of lead or clues has EVER failed to pan out perfectly
(11:05:53) Billy: and I begrudge it that much.
(11:05:54) Jim: that's too much
(11:06:38) Billy: But Jack at some point has to show that he has remorse for this shit.
(11:06:44) Jim: agreed
(11:07:01) Billy: Crying at the end of season 3 is not enough
(11:07:52) Jim: the idea since season two that he was a good man that realized he sometimes had to do bad things. they haven't stayed on course with that defining characteristic. Turning him from an inhumane human to the equivalent of a robot
(11:08:16) Jim: they've made it too easy and convenient for him to head down darker paths
(11:08:39) Billy: Season five handled it well, with Audrey and Paul seeing first hand what Jack had to do to get the job done.
(11:09:23) Billy: But since then, it's been bull headed Jack, know s exactly the right thing to do: the wrong thing.
(11:09:52) Billy: And I feel it now, the Senator is going to let Jack go.
(11:11:09) Billy: Because of the non-twist twist ending, of Senator Red Foreman's chief of staff being aligned with L.A. police chief---er I mean, worfs brother---er, candyman---no, wait General Juma!
(11:11:23) Jim: It keeps the show going, but in the wrong direction... I've said it about Heroes a bunch, but it's true here as well. Actions need to have consequences. Jack can't keep going back to the "I know I'm doing wrong and will accept whatever consequences there are after the job is done.", if the consequences never come
(11:11:57) Billy: In a show like 24 it's hard to show consequences before the end of the season
(11:12:02) Jim: Except by the Chinese, he has broken tons of American and international laws and NEVER called to task for it
(11:12:10) Billy: Jack did do a two year turn in a Chinese prison.
(11:12:40) Billy: He is on trial for his crimes by the U.S. govt now.
(11:13:02) Jim: But that was out of revenge for a death he did not directly cause. It has never been acknowledged that Jack is doing bad things and there is a cost.
(11:13:24) Billy: The problem is, if you show realistic consequences then Jack Bauer should be in police custody for 12 hours of the season.
(11:13:54) Billy: It doesn't exactly make for an exciting show.
(11:15:01) Jim: I know there have been consequences... but all of them have been for actions where we see Jack in the right, the Chinese abduct an American citizen and smuggle him out of the country, the President orders his execution forcing him to go on the run. It just all reinforces that the bad things are the result of other people's actions and Jack is ALWAY IN THE RIGHT.
(11:15:03) Billy: I do think that the "cost" is going to be Jack's life in the final episode of the series. Be it by a terrorist. Or friend/family. Or by his own hand.
(11:15:39) Jim: as much as I like the guy, you can see how that would be fitting
(11:15:59) Billy: How flippin' wonderful would it be if Kim Bauer eventually kills her old man.
(11:16:24) Jim: they would NEVER do that
(11:16:27) Billy: I mean, with proper build up, of course
(11:16:44) Billy: She's been so messed up by her father, hooked on smack
(11:16:57) Jim: i mean come on, you might as well say he gets exiled to Candytop Mountain
(11:16:59) Billy: the only way to be free is for Jack to die.
(11:17:06) Billy: Ha ha
(11:17:21) Billy: It's my dream of how to handle Kim's return.
(11:17:25) Billy: I know that it
(11:17:31) Billy: will not be as cool as that.
(11:19:54) Billy: Kim will not be hooked on smack. She'll just act like a smug little bitch, and I will wish that someone will just outright smack her. Nothing will change, because for a show all about time, 24 has a pretty awful recollection of the past.

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